In article <d8b03dc6-11c0-4b15-a96f-b3347 9507d00@
13g2000yql.googlegroups.com>, lhfotow...@hotmail.com (Larry Harrell)
says...
You need a good junkyard dog lawyer who specializes in workers comp
cases. Insurance companies make their money collecting premiums and
refusing to pay claims. If they turn you down, sue them. It's just

Half the guys I know have broken backs from their logger days. I
escaped most of that but have various joints that should be replaced.
And likewise, I can still leave em in the dust but then I'm just 57.
And that's why people in Fire jobs can retire early. That should
include timber cruisers.
M

Heck, I'm 59 and I can work as hard as ever, when I care to- when I have
work to do.
While at lunch I was reading a local newspaper and there was an article
about a 61 year old doctor who looked like a real geezer- shucks, I'm almost
as old as that guy? I think my work in the woods has been great for my

That's a pretty common story for woods work. Unless you're very lucky,
all that abuse will all catch up with you sometime in your 40's. Then
its time for that retreading- I mean a career change.
Being an "ex" forester actually gives you more range ;-) You can expound
on things you don't know much about but you've got that straight-up guy

Well, not exactly "quit". A few years ago, while working in
Pennsylvania, a chunk of rotted wood fell out of a tree and clonked me
on the head. I just cursed the tree and moed on. Little did I know, my
increasing shoulder pain was the result of 3 squashed disks in my
neck. They denied my claim for benefits because I didn't fill out the

Larry, So you quit?! Bummer. I know how hard you worked to get there.
The fire proof coast seems to be more sane than the interior. There are
some big fuel reduction sales going on now, even with log prices in the
pits.
Real fire scientists has been telling that story for years. Its just the
hangers on who don't understand that its a two edged sword. Or maybe a

One thing is for sure, Larry- forestry in America is a mess. Much of the
East continues to get high graded or consists of monoculture plantations or
gets developed. Out west, all sorts of issues.
Who to blame? I think there's enough to go around with both the enviros and
the forestry establishment, which has been far too friendly with the

The eco's lump all fire into one category. Even Dr. Jerry Franklin
says that prescribed fire alone will NOT work for the forests in the
Pacific Northwest. This same logic works for our ponderosa pine
forests, too. The real issue here is that allowing "free range fire"
during the summer months with no NEPA work, no public involvement (as

Do they distinguish between wild fires and controlled burn? I don't really
pay great attention to the western forestry issues. With proper controlled
burn, doesn't everyone win? And it's probably a lot cheaper than trying to
put out a huge wildfire.
Do you accept allowing wild fires to burn anywhere? Wilderness areas? NPS?

If that's not bad enough, Joe, it's the collaboration of the eco's AND
the Bush Administration to both embrace catastrophic wildfires as
"good for the environment". Unfortunately, both advicate the Let-Die,
Let-Rot and Let-Burn policy currently in force for opposite reasons.
The Bushies want to burn it instead of manage it because it's cheaper.

In article <c12a7952-8eaf-4885-9de2-3c5c4 687faf5
@j38g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> , lhfotow...@hotmail.com (Larry Harrell)
says...
Last summer was actually a pretty mild year for forest fires. We had
half a dozen smoky days, and they closed highway 138 for a few days
because the Umpqua National Forest was on fire, but I think the total

You make it seem that those "radical enviros" have immense political power-
that it's all their fault that the forests are burning, the wood industry
has shut down, the entire PNW economy is in shambles.
Joe
Until we accept the fact that man MUST intervene in this disaster, the
bleeding will continue. Praying to Gaia, obviously, has not worked for

Until we accept the fact that man MUST intervene in this disaster, the
bleeding will continue. Praying to Gaia, obviously, has not worked for
the radical preservationists. The tourist industry in Oregon suffered
mightily with the smoke of all the Let-Burn fires. The Oregon economy
is in major melt-down mode, as well. Even the sharpest minds in the

In article <b825d503-7224-411f-895e-13147 ce690b0
@w3g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, lhfotow...@hotmail.com (Larry Harrell)
says...
I seem to remember that the Biscuit fire alone consumed a third of the
spotted owl habitat in Southern Oregon.

In article <74ddd860-1df6-46ce-b282-efeae af1cb79
@x38g2000yqj.googlegroups.com> , lhfotow...@hotmail.com (Larry Harrell)
says...
It depends a lot on who he picks for Sec. of Interior and Sec. of
Agriculture. So far he has been picking so many smart people to form
his government that they are calling it a "valedictocracy". He seems to

November 25, 2008
Janet Napolitano, Governor of the State of Arizona, writes to Corbin
Newman, Regional Forester Southwest Region to request that the U.S.
Forest Service "accelerate restoration work across northern Arizona,"
and "translate into on-the-ground action the good work done by
Arizona's citizens over the past several years."

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