Hey Joe,
I'm on the Olympic Peninsula of Washington, live just west of Port
Angeles and mostly work farther west on the Hoh River watershed.
We seem to be getting snow every December but it still rains the rest of
the year! Forks gets about 10-11 feet on average and many parts of the
Hoh exceed 12 ft yearly. Coming from Wisconsin, I appreciate a good

Mike, where are you again, Oregon? I thought it only rained there - every
day!
Joe
PS: been cold here in central Mass. (0-30F) and some snow- rather typical

60-70's and rain, I think I am beginning to mold.

How's the weather down there Don? I'm tired of shoveling.

Same to ya Mike, and all the regulars.

Way too much snow to work in the woods here so I may as well relax after
end of year reports. Pass the egg nog!
Mike

"Ologists" are consulted at every step along the way. Archeologists
may have covered the areas previously, or not. Every sale has to be
surveyed for endangered species and if a historical nest stand is
nearby, a survey has to be done to see if that nest exists anymore or
is occupied. Hydrologists are consulted when any stream crossings will

So we keep seeing in the press that many federal timber sales are held up by
"tree huggers" or whatever- who often sue- on what grounds can they sue? Is
it because the USFS fails to follow the rules, or are those problems history
now?
Joe

Larry H. should be jumping in here. I'm from before the era where you
needed an ologist to lay out a big timber sale. The procedure used to
be that your local District wildlife biologist would check all timber
sales for red flags. Now its all on the GIS system- streams, owls,
eagles nests, unstable slopes, etc. Wetlands generally are NOT covered-

Mike, for each harvest- what sort of eco analysis is done? Wetlands, rare
species, archeology, etc.? What experts are brought in beyond the foresters?
Joe

Joe wrote:
That's ex- USFS Foresters. I don't think anybody here is currently
employed by them. They have different but equivalent plans to most big
private timber companies. You first plan your yearly harvest, then for
each individual unit, you have to cruise, map, do NEPA compliance, then

Hey, you USFS foresters- here in Mass. some of us have been discussing
"cutting plans" which must be filed prior to most timber harvesting on all
land, public and private. The question came up, what sort of cutting plans
are required for USFS timber harvests? It was suggested by one person that a

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